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  JC ON TAPE

  by SickofLies in

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  2. friends

  http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

  http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

  sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

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  johnny cip

  bethel tour today. what a joke
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  JC ON TAPE

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

  http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

  sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

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  a good point to bring out is the elder said if he stayed with the union strike he was in. that he would have went to jail. but he turned to god. ask him if he was a jw refusing alternative service up untill may 1996 wt. that he would have also went to jail in many countries. and was it ok for the union the wts to send 1000" of brothers to prison for 100,000's of thousand of years in jail time. and then say jehovah changed his mind or the fds didn't understand the scriptures.. there is a lot of milage to get out of this arguement. so if the wt told him to go to jail before 1996 and after said it's a conscience matter. were was the holy sprit on this ? why is the wt still sending today young brothers to jail in the eastern european block . for not taking alterrnative service whern the wt changed the rule in 1996. remember jesus told the jews to carry the roman soldiers baggage not one mile but 2 miles. ( alternative service) jesus also called cornelius. and roman captian A MAN OF GOD. i got a lot of mileage out of that one at my bethel tour. the bethilte was perplexed. as they had a 20 foot tall painting of cornelius at bethel. read my account of my bethel tour. john
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  JC ON TAPE

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

  http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

  sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

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  i'm listening to the jc again. to make a long story short. ask the elders if jesus came back in 1914 to rule from the mount of olives in isreal. and destroyed all earthly gov't ie the end of gentile times. the gentiles still rule the world. ie george bush. has the wt been running the world since 1914 ? bring the old teaching that the end of the gentiles would bring paradise, so nothing happened in 1914. or the wt or fds got thier understanding of the prophecy of daniel wrong. ki think the 2520 days is in regard to Ne'bs being crazy for 7 years 360x7=2520 fits perfect. if 191`4 was so important. based on daniel. then why didn't jesus teach it once.? jesus would have said i'm returning in 1900 years. to kingdom power. the bottom line is that the wt twisted a false prophecy . of 1914 into snowball of lies. to show the unknowing and unresearched that they are choosen of god. it's the same thing the second advenist pulled with 1844, and nelson barbour and russell pulled with 1873 1874 1875 1876 1878 1881 etc. ask the elders as they asked you does anyone see a pattern of lying here ? promagated by a publishing co. to save thier asses. good work again calling them a liar. have fun in the appeal. john
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  Who would have the "Upper Hand" an Elder or a leader of another Religion?

  by JH in

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  lets say an elder that knows his bible very well, and a priest or any high ranking person of any other christian religion who also knows his bible very well, would get together and each with a bible in their hand.....who would come out victorious?.

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  i know for fact. that most so called christians. will get ucked into a trininty debate with a jw. once you take the jw out of their comfort zone. and start asking wt questions. 99% of jw's will melt. all it takes is a strong apostate. and one good bible christian. together and the jw will be whipped out in 5 minutes. it's all about control of the topics i can't count how many times i was reaming some jw at the train station .on wt shit and some christian lady came up. out of no where . and helped me bury these pioneer zombies into the concrete. it's like shooting fish in a barrell. me and a jw is no contest. add some christian bible toting passerbyer. it.s a field day with the jw's calling the police crying persecution. like taking candy from a baby. mini i like your posts. but i dought for a minute you could handle a good bible scholar. or apostate. using wt dogma. i don't see it happening. i would have you running chasing your tail . if you tried any of them wt verses on me. but then again i'm one of a kind.
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  Ray Franz---A Man We Owe Our Thanks To

  by minimus in

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  i've been thinking of how all of our lives have changed from learning about this religion and getting out.

  probably no one has done more to help us understand the truth about "the truth" than raymond franz.

  of course there were others that questioned dates, prophecies and dogma but it was ray franz that revolutionized the organization.

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  with out getting long winded,. mr Ray Franz. has taught me alot. thank you Ray.
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  Judicial Committee: How to control

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  in response to many jc's as of late i thought i'd share.

  don't attack them.

  he will weaken his right; should he strengthen his right,.

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  good choices; always put the elders on the defense straight from the start. ream and steam them. in a loud forceful voice. have your material ready . and start pulling books off the wt library shelves. every time they deny the wt ever said this or that. make them out to be liars. set them up like bowling pins. and most important , never let them interupt you when your talking . but interupt them at every turn. remember your judging the wt . just check out sick of lies tape. he wouldn;t shut up ,when he had them in a corner. plus he called them liars a number of times. happy hunting. john
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  JC ON TAPE

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

  http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

  sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

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  sick of lies' i thought you were letting them crap on you till you got to 607. then you stood up and gave them a hard time. they had nothing. they couldn't back up 607. i would have used 1 thes 5;23 prove all things true. and 1 jn test all inspired sayings to see if they are from god? also the 70 years of jeremiah speaks of nations giving 70 years of seritude to babylon. including other nations. as for your education . it shows they have done next to no honest research. i haven't heard it all. but your doing pretty good. john
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  Finding out what a convention costs....

  by schne_belly in

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  here is an email i sent to the nearest "convention center" that jw's are using this summer....

  dear sirs,.

  i hope you are able to assist me in my research.

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  i would come straight out and ask the convention center. how much $$$$$$ they are charging the jw's point blank.
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  The "Memorial" Is A Perversion Of Christ's Intent

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it is remarkable how 6 million witnesses ( or is it 'witlesses'?

  ) can go thru the yearly ritual of the "memorial" without any of their.

  brain cells moving them towards understanding what a sad, unchristian perversion it is.. what part of "do this in remembrance of me" is so hard to understand?

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  i like to use the anolgy. with jw's that if someone invites you to eat dinner at thier house with their family. and you reject the food. that is an insult. and i would never invite that person in my hiouse again. or even worse is to invite a friend over for supper. and pass the food to everyone else. and have your guest. sit there and watch the whole family, enjoying a fine dinner. with an empty plate infront of them . sniffing the meat and potatoes. talk about RUDENESS. well the wts has perfected it. and hate christ. and his offer. to all man. john
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  Beware of what lurks behind a door.

  by orangefatcat in

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  yesterday was such a beautiful day and i needed to goet out anad get some fresh air.

  i was kind of looking for prices of laptops as i felt that the dest top is in my living room and being sick so much lately and with my desk top pc wouldn't fit into my bedroom so i thought of getting a lap top.

  and way there is a store on our street that is small and sells pc's and laptops.

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  ofc; i think you may want to go shopping there a few more times. before you make your choice of p.c.'s you have a captive audience. i would make the most of it. drill her till she gives you that laptop . for cost. test the pc in her store. bringing up a few preselected sites. i'm sure you will have fun... john